Nah. You've got the original core work, and then everything else is a side-story in some form or another. retcons. hide. End of Z still canon? 32:23 . Pikkon appears in the Buu Saga in both the Z … Rate. Toriyama flames it every chance he gets. It’s nice to see that years after DBZ, Piccolo is still doing ... a first for a canon character. 9. The trouble I have now with the canon is I think the anime version of DBS is terrible and the manga is better and more in line with the manga in a lot of ways with regards to Spoiler: incoming. Dragon Ball GT comes to an end at the World Martial Arts Tournament, where an elderly Pan watches her great-great-grandson (though he is just her grandson in the English dub) square off against his sworn rival. It's both canon and non-canon because DB has no canon. 3. the argument is the anime and filler in it can be seen as canon. Is that thing about Uub true though? That our heroes actually managed to overcome him, in the end, is a miracle in and of itself. You asked if the end of Dragon Ball Z was canon, and I told you the writers wrote a piece of episode in Dragon Ball Super meant to connect that with the end of Dragon Ball Z, because it's canon. Each arc is relatively self-contained, with story elements building steadily towards the next major showdown, and each main character follows a straight-forward progression. CBR Recommended for you. RELATED: Dragon Ball: 5 DC Heroes Piccolo Can Defeat (& 5 He Can’t) 3. AMV Dragon Ball Z---Goku Vs Broly Musica: In The End---Linking Park A Toei’s original animated canon for Dragon Ball consisted of the first Dragon Ball adaptation, Dragon Ball Z, and finally Dragon Ball GT. 8. DBZ Battle of Gods: Canon or Non-Canon? @jinpogi1010: Why did you come into a thread of a series you haven't finished if you didn't want spoilers? The series was then published weekly and on a very tight schedule (14 pages per week, plus title page) for nearly eleven years, ending on May 23, 1995. Mixed Canon/Filler: 2015-07-05: 2: To the Promised Resort! Mainly being that power levels are inconsistent. Depends on your definition of "canon". its not like fans as passionate as dbz fans are will care anyways. Rate. power levels. its not that surprising. Uub has been mentioned and its been directly stated by Toyotaro (and others IIRC) that Super will meet up with the end of Z with 0 to minimal changes. It's not canon for a list of reasons. 4. 5. Remember, Gohan completely dominated Super Buu. Yeah could probably be retconned, no biggie. Image Source: Rhemedi. Gohan was the strongest unfused being in DBZ canon at the end of the series. If Uub becomes a god I'm giving up on DB, the god stuff is boring. How you make everything fits after that - if there is an actual problem, or if they actually care to make it fit at all - it's another issue. In scenarios like this the traditional works more canon. Dragon Ball GT has been cancelled out canon when Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' came out (which are canon). »…and, basically, so on and so on…add randomly Vegeta who say «Kakarotto» 0. The DB Super manga is an adaptation, which is why the DB Super anime is the primary canon, while the DB Super manga is the secondary canon. solutions to all above except for 5 ? After everything that’s happened in super up until this point, I find it really hard to believe that none of this would get mentioned at the tournament. the argument is the anime and filler in it can be seen as canon. Sure they've confirmed Uub but they can't possibly have things play out exactly the same. MarvelGrey. This is the universal definition of what canon means. Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot's Secret Boss Fight Explained. But at the beginning of Dragon Ball Super, Gohan and Videl announce they're pregnant with Pan. 1- Beerus nor Whis are mentioned/shown in The Last 2 Episodes of Dragon Ball Z, 2- Super Saiyan God on Goku nor Vegeta is mention/shown, 3- No mentions of the events from Battle of Gods/Resurrection 'F', 4- Bulma says its been 10 years since she's seen Goku in the last 2 episodes yet Battle of Gods takes place 5 years after Majin Buu appears and Resurrection 'F' takes place 1 year after Battle of Gods and the third Untitled Unannounced Rematch Movie Between Goku and Beerus Battle of Gods movie takes place 6 years after Resurrection 'F', 5- Uub will appear as a God reincarnate in Dragon Ball Super its been announced therefore throwing the last 2 episodes of dragon ball Z away and decimating Dragon Ball GT from canon whilst adding three video games to canon: Dragon Ball Heroes, Dragon Ball Shinbudokai, and Dragon Ball: Xenoverse. It's not canon for a list of reasons. It’s hard to swallow for a few fans, but Super Saiyan Rage Future Trunks is actually ridiculously strong. Is the ending of Z still canon now? In total 291 episodes of Dragon Ball Z were aired. That said, yes, the last three episodes showing Pan are canon. From a timeline stance, they’re two different timelines. They were in the manga. It's form original creator, not like GT (Dragon Ball GT isn't connected to this). Of course, fans will know that Dragon Ball Super is the most recent anime addition to Akira Toriyama’s on-going franchise. Also, Garlic Jr and Pikkon fall under the forgotten category, not non-canon, as both did appear in the main DBZ series however briefly. In almost every respect, it does. Watch it if you want, but it has (almost) the same story as beginning of Dragon Ball Super. 1. The Otherworld Tournament is episodes 195-199 in Z and episode 98 in DB Kai which DBS is directly canon to. Cause in super he references uub to vegeta saying “yeah apparently buu has been reincarnated as a human kid on earth” insinuating that he actually hasn’t met or seen uub at all. Source on them saying they wouldn't be changing anything? The following is the list of character birth dates and ages throughout Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball GT.The list is based on age information stated in the manga/anime, given in Dragon Ball guides, and most taken from the actual timeline.This list includes the Dragon Team and their support, most villains, and other characters. With a total of 39 reported filler episodes, Dragon Ball Z has a low filler percentage of 13%. 6. I also didn't like End of Z at all. @planetcaptainamerica: DB online should also be canon. This is a list of known and official Power Levels (戦闘力, Sentōryoku, lit.Combat Power) in the Dragon Ball universe.All of the levels on this list are taken from the manga, anime, movies, movie pamphlets, Daizenshuu guides, video games and stated mathematical calculations. Nah. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. Rate. Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot has a secret boss fight that players can unlock at the end of the game, and it has some serious implications for DBZ canon. Also, SS3 Gotenks was stronger than SS3 Goku (purportedly). share | improve this answer | follow | answered Mar 13 '18 at 21:05. NON CANON; a completely different story, where the same characters have different roles fighting a new villain. It's still canon, they won't overwrite it, but that doesn't mean they can't continue the story after that. Also by "permanent transformation" for SSGSS, i think they meant they can hold it for long periods of time like a regular SSJ transformation where as Goku held his first Super Saiyan God transformation for only a few minutes before it disappeared. It is an interquel. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I've attached a … Since Dragon Ball Super begins sometime shortly after the defeat of Buu, are the flash forward events of DBZ wiped from canon, similar to the GT history? The last episode of DBZ even transitions directly into the first episode of GT with a next episode preview at the end of the former. Revival of F doesn't necessarily put the end of DBZ into question but GT was always never considered canon. Filler: 2005-06-08: 139: Pure Terror! We don't know how they'll handle it, if they do, but all that happened in the EoZ will happen. Throughout the years, the canon of Dragon Ball Z has been widely discussed among the DBZ community, but now it’ll be spoken about like never before - as Dragon Ball has no canon… Wiki Points. Dragon Ball: Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle (1987) TV-14 | 45 min | Animation, Action, Adventure . Unless you are referring to that 5 year comment from Bulma everything is pretty ok when it comes to canon. Modern Dragon Ball technically began life as a continuation of Dragon Ball Z through Battle of Gods, but the Dragon Ball Super anime and manga are now holding the reigns of the franchise’s canon, telling the same story alongside one another. Of course, as we know, Gogeta officially wasn't introduced into canon until the recent Dragon Ball Super movie, Broly, that also introduced the legendary Super Saiyan officially. It could have recontextualized the first movie as the start of DBZ ’s own movie continuity ala the original Dragon Ball. 19 Super Saiyan Rage Future Trunks. Just because they didn't mention doesn't mean it isn't canon. the bigger the franchise gets, the more messy its canon becomes. My biggest point of confusion is the fact that Pan is 4 in the final events of DBZ which means she was born 6 years after Goku kills Buu. Jump to: Dragon Ball Super Episode List Hide Episode Titles # Title Type Airdate; 1: The Peace Reward - Who Will Get the 100 Million Zeni? So I’m confused at the fact that at the end of DBZ there is a martial arts tournament where goku leaves at the end after fighting uub to train him. Half the dam episodes of DBZ series are not canon, just filler. 0. Are any of the other movies or specials canon or no? Rate. Hence it is obvious that the new movie might very likely be canon as well. I… 0. Dragon Ball Super has made many changes to the canon and lore established years previously in Dragon Ball Z.Compared to many long-running anime and manga franchises, Akira Toriyama's Dragon Ball isn't especially complicated. (This "IMDB version" stands for both Japanese and English). A list of power levels from Weekly Jump #31, 1989. Let me explain, We know for a fact that multiple timelines exist, look at the ‘future’ timeline and the ‘main’ timeline. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 4. They're non-canon. That is my general rule of thumb for anything DB to DBZ. All we know is that Super will lead into End of Z.We don't know what is getting retconned and what isn't. Someone tried to argue that DBZ filler is canon as much as the Manga by itself is. For starters, there's no officially defined "canon", as neither Toriyama nor Toei Animation have ever went on record to say as such. I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts on this. Nov 14, 2017 10,506. 7. The last episode of DBZ even transitions directly into the first episode of GT with a next episode preview at the end of the former. Dragon Ball logo. Rate. Dragon Ball in two phrases. Rate. They technically did, vegeta in super already knows of uub while in End of Z, that was vegetas first time knowing uub, Leave it alone just retcon the 5 years part unless your gonna turn the last tournament into an arc. 6.8. This story, left unfinished, merges the comic style of Dr. Slump with an action-oriented plot. Is this not regarded as canon? The term canon refers to everything that is created by either the original creator, or current head of the series, unless otherwise noted. Filler: 2005-05-25: 137: A Town of Outlaws, the Shadow of the Fuma Clan: Filler : 2005-06-01: 138: Pure Betrayal, and a Fleeting Plea! Follow 251. I've attached a source with regard to the same here. I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts on this. It may or may not keep going passed that, we don't know. @midnightdragon18: It explains how something CAN'T be canon it doesn't have any announcement or fongormation therefore its nor a lie or fan fiction. 2. Is the ending of Z still canon now? He was raised in a faraway planet by his father, Peragus. Gohan was the strongest unfused being in DBZ canon at the end of the series. Rate. Any Dragon Ball Movies - Not canon since they're definitive recreations of The Dragon Ball TV Shows Sagas into 30 minutes to 2 full hours. DBZ-The end of earth George Nicula. Because, despite the marketing, Dragon Ball Super is not a sequel to the Dragon Ball manga series, or the DBZ TV series. Women exaggerate things all the time. As a teen, she has a hairstyle similar to her grandmother, Chi-Chi as it is shoulder-length and has black hair just like her paternal grandparents, her parents, her uncle and her maternal grandfather. DBZ: Resurrection 'F' (movie) comes after previous movie DBZ: Battle of Gods. I hope it gets retconned. the bigger the franchise gets, the more messy its canon becomes. That would be much cooler than the sniveling little wimp Uub that we originally got lol. If you’re looking to stir up drama within the Dragon Ball fandom, all you have to do is bring up the canon. Lol not that I don't believe you, id just like to see it myself. Because I've seen Toyotaro say they must reach End of Z but he didn't give any other details surrounding that point. The only thing that can't fit is the line from Bulma about not having seen them all for how ever many years. There is a ten year time skip between them, leaving plenty of room for Toriyama to work with. Question. In Dragon Ball Z, there was a non-canon character, a lost Saiyan known as Broly. The first issue of Dragon Ball debuted on November 20, 1984 in Weekly Shōnen Jump (#51), the same anthology magazine where Dr. Slump had previously been published. Rate. There is nothing else that can't fit, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! For me and 90% of the rest of us, anime=canon period. 10. They both feature a Saiyan form called Super Saiyan God which GT does not mention or seen. 0. 45% Upvoted. Non-canon is anything that is not in the manga and non-filler anime -- so that includes all of the movies and OVAs, as well as Dragon Ball GT and a few filler arcs. Rate. Someone tried to argue that DBZ filler is canon as much as the Manga by itself is. Will these final episodes get re-written? © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. There have only been miscellaneous, one-off, not-especially-committal statements... and even then some of those were later contradicted, either explicitly or silently. Although Super starts months after Kid Buu’s defeat, There are signs (Or at the very hopeful wishes) that the series will not abruptly end with Goku taking Uub as his pupil as occured in Z’s finale. Also, SS3 Gotenks was stronger than SS3 Goku (purportedly). 8 2 28. comments. @planetcaptainamerica: when was Dragon Ball GT ever considered conanon? As for Battle of Gods/ Revival of F and the Budoukai at the end of the series, at present there's nothing really causing any conflicting information between the two of them. … A Canon and Dragon Ball have always had a complicated relationship, but Super has arguably muddied the waters even further. And maybe Bulma was just being a typical woman when she said it's been ten years. The canon is the DB manga, which is continued with the DB Super anime and manga. It's all speculation as to whether or not either trained or didn't train. Messages: 537 Likes Received: 2 Trophy Points: 168 Joined: Nov 7, 2013 Reputation: So from what I see from a majority of people, they consider Battle of Gods to be canon. Member. Anime canon in a DBZ sense is referring to things which only exist in the anime continuity which would include the filler and adaptation changes and even some of the movies. 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